P4p in Thailand is shit

Ho Chi Minh City
#22
Many of these top echelon elite girls have Asian guys throwing money at them all the time. They also share more in common with these guys such as food, customs, and they aren't as overweight in general as us western farangs.

They can get all the business they want exchanging numbers with Asian wealthy regulars or post a few hot pictures online and pick and choose as well as reject. Thailand has moved up the economic ladder and many of these elite girls can make more than most males.
 
#23
About 3 years ago, a Thai girl signed on FB live and gave a DRUNKEN rant at a pool party about how stupid the Thai girls there were for ignoring the rich Asian guys and all over the poor backpackers. Telling Thai girls stop thinking all western guys are rich, and blah blah. It was a good 15 minutes of recording and ranting. So something is in the air, and has been in the air for the past few years.
 
Ho Chi Minh City
#24
About 3 years ago, a Thai girl signed on FB live and gave a DRUNKEN rant at a pool party about how stupid the Thai girls there were for ignoring the rich Asian guys and all over the poor backpackers. Telling Thai girls stop thinking all western guys are rich, and blah blah. It was a good 15 minutes of recording and ranting. So something is in the air, and has been in the air for the past few years.
From what I gather, the sneaky Thai girls that want us farangs think we're more gullible and easier prey than the Asian doodads. They also aren't in it solely for the money, but also to get a green card or find a sucker to send them money when we are back home.

You rarely ever see a Thai female with a farang expat unless he is bankrolling her or "taking care of her", in which case, and it's often, more than one is "taking care of her".

Sad, on both sides of the coin, but true.

The Asian players got it down right. They pay for what they want, leave it at that and go about their business and keep it professional.
 
#25
I`m with Happyexpat all the way on this subject.
I`ve lived in Thailand for 30 years, mostly Chiang Mai, and the mongering scene is a total and absolute disaster and for what little there is, are at rip-off prices, I`m talking about silly money.
In Chiang Mai it`s become pure grot and there are virtually no ways of getting decent girls without dealing with middle people.
The days of the freelance street girls, abundance of lady houses and independent bars are gone. It`s all been taken over by big business.
A friend recently told me it is now cheaper to get reasonably looking girls in the UK than it is in Thailand, they have got greedy.
I`ve been hearing from friends being quoted 1000 baht bar fines and from 3000 to 4000 baht short time in Chiang Mai, and for some inhibited FS with time limits at the B2B parlours that have sprung up around the city, prices can reach 7000 to 8000 baht, I kid you not.
The Chiang Mai section of Thai Friendly is useless. Mostly women that are looking for mugs to ply them with lots of cash, that`s if you can actually gain a conversation with them passed the, Hi and how are you.
The Loi Kroh Road should be torn down, it`s long past it`s sell by date along with the women that work in the bars. Again, pure grot.
 
#26
I haven’t been to Chiang Mai in years, but last time I was there they still had some hotels that had massage places. And near train station was that one famous massage place, I forget the name. Not really my style but it was something at least.
 
#27
I haven’t been to Chiang Mai in years, but last time I was there they still had some hotels that had massage places. And near train station was that one famous massage place, I forget the name. Not really my style but it was something at least.
Can`t remember it`s name, the massage parlour is in the same building as the hotel. Last time I tried out that place was about 3 years ago, got offered FS by a 50 year old for 1000 baht not including the 400 baht for the so-called 10 minute massage. I declined the offer.
 
#28
Some in-hotel massage places that I remember, they were in some of those hotels that were at the northwest corner of that ring road that goes around all of the central part of Chiang Mai. I could probably relocate it. A few hotels there had this setup.

OK looking at a map. One was Chiang Mai Phucome hotel. Northwest part of the city on the road that leads to Doi Suthep. There was another hotel like that on Huaykkaew Road before the intersection where Phucome is. On the map it looks like it's called Chiangmai Hill or Prestige Chiangmai, one of those. It had a different name when I went there long time ago.

the massage place by the train station might have been called Sakura or something like this. You walk in and there's the fishbowl.

Been a long time since I was there, so these places may not exist any more.
 
#29
From what I gather, the sneaky Thai girls that want us farangs think we're more gullible and easier prey than the Asian doodads. They also aren't in it solely for the money, but also to get a green card or find a sucker to send them money when we are back home.

You rarely ever see a Thai female with a farang expat unless he is bankrolling her or "taking care of her", in which case, and it's often, more than one is "taking care of her".

Sad, on both sides of the coin, but true.

The Asian players got it down right. They pay for what they want, leave it at that and go about their business and keep it professional.

This should be top comment. That's so true, Asian men view it totally different. They don't try to be her friend, they don't care about her phone number, unless it is to schedule her again. They sharply draw a line between "normal girls" and "p4p girls". It is strictly a business transaction and then they go on about their business. They don't try to turn p4p girls into they're wives. I have countless p4p girls saved from my younger days. I look at their photo today on "line" or "whatsapp" and for many of them it's some young gullible baby face westerner kissing her on the beach or something. But hey many girls stop p4p. I messaged 1 old p4p girl, she replied sorry I stopped, when I finished University.

Going back to where did all the very beautiful girls go in the bars? I see most of them now are using agents to do their fishing. They get a text, it has the customers photo, the address, st or lt, and they can accept or decline. 1 from online in Thailand. I said I wasn't talking to you? She said no, that's the agent. I was in the cinema and they just sent me your photo and your address, and what time.
 
#30
Over the years there have been many drastic changes within the Chiang Mai sex scene. Not for the better I’m sorry to say.

It`s all become over priced, expensive and big business orientated. These days including a woman as part of your social activities has become more of a luxury rather than as an inclusion to a night out as used to be back in the old days.

The good stuff or in other words anything even half decent have moved on to up market venues outside of the main tourist drags. Acquiring even just a short time with one of these girls can cost you a truckload of cash and I mean literally thousands of bahts. In most cases way over the budgets of the average tourist or for ex pats that like to frequent these places on a regular basis. Even in the most expensive dens of iniquity, the girls can be extremely inhibited and the service mechanical, with ridiculous amounts of money being asked for a quickie session of restrained sex, or wham bang thank you guy, that will be xxxx bahts plus tip thank you, next please.

The problem is the powers that be have closed down most if not all of the back street brothels. If there are any left in Chiang Mai, than these seem to be a closely guarded secret and discretely hidden away in the abyss somewhere.

Regarding online freelancers in Chiang Mai, there doesn’t appear to be any. Again it seems like Chiang Mai is a dead loss in the online department. There are the escort agencies where the girls will ask for a starting rate of 5000 baht just to turn up and acknowledge that you exist in addition before even getting down to the required service.

Most of the hot chicks online, including dating sites and personals such as craigslist are in Bangkok and other areas. Many of the Chiang Mai online girls are just silly schoolgirls or college students that are really only looking for online facebook and MSN friends. Some of the Chiang Mai girls profile themselves as being so pure; they almost qualify as being Nuns.

There are decent girls to be had advertising their services online as deksideliner girls, but these are usually strictly reserved for Thai clientele and now many of the girls profiles are being blocked by the police on a daily basis. The only way a Westerner may have a chance of getting into the sideliner scene, that is if he becomes lucky enough to find or know a Thai who is well conversant with the sideliner scene and introduce him to the girls.

What’s left of the farang adult entertainment venues are only remnants of what they used to be and today it`s all pretty grim. There are the few grot and skank bars left in the Loi Kroh road. The working women in these bars are mostly rejects that would probably be the last choice of any self respecting monger and not that cheap either, but unfortunately it`s become a case of take it or leave it because there are very few other choices unless willing and able to pay much larger sums of money for anything reasonable. Plus if like me you don`t like to drink that often, than it`s tough luck because there are not many options. Even the Loi Kroh road bars have lately been under close scrutiny of the police and it is possible that these may also be closed down and levelled in the foreseeable future.

Many tourists and ex pats have turned they’re attentions to the inner city massage parlours as a substitute for the bar scene and lack of brothels, but this can be very hit and miss. Most of the inner city Chiang Mai massage parlours have become staffed by aging unattractive women that have transformed these establishments into hand job parlours. This after a while becomes boring and non eventful. It can also be expensive drifting around the massage parlours searching for a few and between looker who may oblige with a little more than a hand job. Besides that, most of the massage parlours are bleak, with only curtain partitions, the customer usually lying only within a foot or two away from a customer on the other side of the curtain and are simply not geared up for having sex on the premises. Some will do outcalls, but the customer will have no choice of lady and the odds are that it will be someone’s mother or granny turning up for the service.

There are other massage parlours just outside the main tourist areas, but are usually staffed by the same sorts of aging unattractive women as in the inner city parlours, only difference being is that the premises are much superior in cleanliness and surroundings, which is normally reflected in the price. They can charge from twice to four times the hourly rates compared to the regular dumps in the town.

For me as a resident of Chiang Mai, I have become most disillusioned with it`s sex scene and have virtually given it up as a bad job. I’m sure there are those who are going to say to the contrary, but I’ve seen no evidence of this and if so, I would be interested to read their comments with actual facts, locations and prices. So far what I have read has failed to give me any inspiration or hope for the future of the Chiang Mai sex scene.
 
#31
The rosy glasses have been taken off. One girl was like because you are white you think I'm just going to drop everything and run to you? You think just because you are white I'm going to accept a lower price? They want to reject the "crazy for white guy stereotype"
 
#32
There are decent girls to be had advertising their services online as deksideliner girls, but these are usually strictly reserved for Thai clientele and now many of the girls profiles are being blocked by the police on a daily basis. The only way a Westerner may have a chance of getting into the sideliner scene, that is if he becomes lucky enough to find or know a Thai who is well conversant with the sideliner scene and introduce him to the girls.
Curious. Have you ever tried twitter? If so, do they accept farang?
A search like "#sidelineเชียงใหม่" returns tons of hits. Although many would be the agents, so you need to sieve them out first.
 
#34
The rosy glasses have been taken off. One girl was like because you are white you think I'm just going to drop everything and run to you? You think just because you are white I'm going to accept a lower price? They want to reject the "crazy for white guy stereotype"
No, not true at all.
Me and including some of my pale face friends do not consider ourselves anything special or superior and more attractive because we are white guys.
I am not looking for cheap, but I do expect to get value for my money and not perceived as a stupid foreigner ripe for exploitation, paying VIP prices for a third rate mechanical service.
 
Toronto canada
#35
No, not true at all.
Me and including some of my pale face friends do not consider ourselves anything special or superior and more attractive because we are white guys.
I am not looking for cheap, but I do expect to get value for my money and not perceived as a stupid foreigner ripe for exploitation, paying VIP prices for a third rate mechanical service.
Yes, us white guys are all in the same boat, still want value, but with Asian men throwing silly money around, they don't want our VALUE anymore. And in most cases, don't need it.
 
#36
When I first went to Thailand, I said these tourist are gonna screw up the market, throwing like 5000/6000 on St girls (look what happened, but with slow progression you don't see it, like a frog in boiling water). I was like fuck dude, now that girl is just gonna wait for "suckers". And look whats happened. The girls just started waiting for "suckers", rather than taxi around the city for 1500 a pop. It was pretty standard every girl's price 1500 st. 3000 lt. The very beautiful girls would say like 2500 st. Now it's all outta whack lol. And it's more secretive. These very beautiful women don't want successful men to know they may go bang a guy on their lunch break, or may drop by a handsome guy's condo on their way from home from work for some extra cash.
 
Ho Chi Minh City
#37
Yes, us white guys are all in the same boat, still want value, but with Asian men throwing silly money around, they don't want our VALUE anymore. And in most cases, don't need it.
Well stated, sir. They want the best option. I used to be that best option, but lately, even the Bang Kapi thai I dated on my last recent trip to LOS asked me what my occupation was, and whether I wanted any more kids. They are going to go for the best option available to them.

The sexual marketplace has changed in Thailand over the years.
 
#38
Well stated, sir. They want the best option. I used to be that best option, but lately, even the Bang Kapi thai I dated on my last recent trip to LOS asked me what my occupation was, and whether I wanted any more kids. They are going to go for the best option available to them.

The sexual marketplace has changed in Thailand over the years.
People I know often say; the scene hasn`t changed, it is me that`s changed, I`ve got older. And I tell them back, bollocks, the adult entertainment scene in Thailand has completely changed, it`s become what I describe as the rich bastards club and even that is now an expensive load of crap.

Also some friends have told me that`s it`s actually less expensive and better deals to be had in Europe and the UK than it is in Thailand.

I agree with LandoSpaho that these tourist last of the big spenders are screwing up the market for the rest of us. or should say; have screwed up the market for the rest of us. Now for these women the sky`s the limit.

They may have tried to squeeze the golden goose, but I believe they have killed it off completely.
 
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#39
Who has killed the golden goose? Who is the goose?

It's just the market at work. Girls now know how much they can get, and they get it. And they have gotten better and better at getting it.

Globalism has made it so the price ranges of things has narrowed around the world, not as wide a disparity as in the old days.

Just 20 years ago, girls in Phnom Penh cost $10 ST, that was the standard rate. Girls in the Nana Hotel parking lot used to go for 1000 baht around that time. But nowadays they have figured out that they don't need to sell that low and they get their money.
 
Ho Chi Minh City
#40
Nobody has ruined anything. Either you are able to keep up with the Joneses and inflation, or not.

Competition is part of any marketplace. I've hung out with ducnguyen a couple times in HCM and Bangkok, and he's been able to amass a quality circle of quality providers and freelancers for average rates in HCM, cheaper than in Thailand. There are 3 in Bangkok I would easily classify as 8's or above as his regulars, one of which I've seen personally and the rates were 2500 and 4000 baht, for ST and LT respectively. That's what I've paid for one of them. This is for upper level tier quality.

That's not much of a price increase over the years to me, because my income has steadily increased over my years. And I've been at the Thailand game for over 25 years.

The key is to go direct and avoid the girls with barfines, girls with pimps/broker fees, and girls quoting ripoff prices.
 
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